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The Real Crime Diary Blog Cyber and Organized Crimes The Line Between Safety and Freedom | Chris Olson | EP 460
Cyber and Organized Crimes

The Line Between Safety and Freedom | Chris Olson | EP 460



Dr. Jordan Peterson sits down with cybercrime expert and CEO of The Media Trust, Chris Olson. They discuss the key targets for cybercrime, dating and other online scams, what legislative measures for internet safety might look like, and the necessary sacrifice major companies need to make for a better digital ecosystem.

Chris Olson is the CEO of The Media Trust, a company founded with the goal of transforming the internet experience by helping technology and digital media companies create a safer internet for people. Under his leadership, the company invented the world’s first digital data compliance, Children’s Online Privacy (COPPA) and website/mobile-app malware scanning technologies. Through infrastructure in 120 countries, The Media Trust protects billions of people every month from digital attacks. Fortune 10 to hundreds of small and medium-sized tech and digital media companies leverage The Media Trust to protect their customers from digital harm and unwanted data collection.

This episode was recorded on June 23, 2024

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(0:00) Coming up
(0:18) Intro
(3:04) Domains of online harm, third-part code
(7:57) Synthetic personas
(10:19) Dating scams, optimal criminals
(19:16) The footprint you leave online
(21:58) How do we conceptualize the status of law in a digital world?
(27:15) Intermediary agencies need to enforce existing laws
(32:13) The reality of the problem for senior citizens, tech support scams
(37:01) Deep fakes, digital kidnapping
(43:48) The utility of doubt, our relationship to the digital ecosystem
(47:34) Balancing freedom and safety online
(52:08) Legislative solutions
(56:52) Drug sales and human trafficking
(1:00:39) Medical scams
(1:03:02) Parasites on and offline: what we can learn from evolution
(1:07:04) The “bigger” concern and the necessary brand sacrifice
(1:09:33) Trust is the basis of wealth
(1:10:24) Using AI to fight cybercrime

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    @itzawrap July 3, 2024

    The how sex evolved to evade parasites is really a bridge too far Jordan. I listen to a lot of your talks for years now and you say tons of thought provoking things, but this side trip about parasites is bizarre.

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    @James-ys3um July 3, 2024

    Diablo walks our digital streets. With the head of Lillith, WE WILL WIN! Foward foward! Twirling upwards towards the light! 🎉

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    @PB-he6em1 July 3, 2024

    Kudos to JP for asking good questions. Unfortunately I find the responses vague and abstract. And I have multiple cyber security certifications. So if you don’t understand this guy, don’t feel bad.

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    @TheLove1Makes July 3, 2024

    Thanks for the wakeup on cyber crime. There's countries that have schools for cyber crimes.

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    @Rick-Spicer-FOR-PM July 3, 2024

    Hello Mr Peterson .Like To Meet You One Day .All The Best

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    @staceyforehand9513 July 3, 2024

    Yes to Jesus, no to bankers

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    @andorandor5462 July 3, 2024

    Leaving straight forward scammers aside (we already know there's no system to catch them). You know those laws that forbid companies from selling your information? A high percentage of companies(private ones especially, doctor clinics, pharmacies, etc) sell your information after you visit them and make tones of money despite being illegal and the reason for that is because they know that the current incompetent government don't actually do anything about it besides the fact that they passed a law. And that's how your data ends up in the hands of scam companies or companies that try to sell you their products, and when you ask them 'where did you get my number from' they say 'well from our data base'. They could easily apprehend this companies, I mean they are probably subject to this privacy violation themselves but they just don't give a shyt. Also, social media platforms FB TIKTOK and others have waaay to much access to your devices without permission and should not have access even with permission because it's like asking a girl 'in order to help you out I will need access to your tities' and the algorithms they use to predict this and that are so intrusive as well, yet they are allowed because again morons and criminals sit in governments, parliaments and regulatory institutions. You need to clean your house starting from the governing institution and going down from there one by one recycled. An impossible task for a comfortable dumb society that the corrupt have created, the perfect scam.

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    @extyr July 3, 2024

    Radical solution: mandating adblockers on all browsers. It would probably cut in half the fraud rate… for a short time.

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    50:41 Internet Providers should be on this. Social Media. Online sellers.
    I don't shop on eBay any more after not getting what I ordered a couple times in a row. Used to save money, now it's throwing money away. 3rd party sellers on Amazon 0/2 or Walmart 0/2 online. Fail. 1:10:10. I don't buy from 3rd party sellers anymore. Amazon , keyboard, not properly wrapped, broken. Shipping=cost.
    Cycling shoes, road not mountain. Shipping to china $80.
    Walfart: brother, AC not working
    My friend, single mother bought a computer for son. Arrived with a password. Useless. They sent her another computer after she threatened to sue them after giving her the run around for 9 months.

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    @711LeveN_Z July 3, 2024

    This is not good!!!

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    40:23 The technology is the problem and the solution. It can zoom through ads and learn to weed out scams just like people.

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    @Thefaceman14 July 3, 2024

    Sounds like a Digital Bill of Rights might be warranted.

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    39:00 fraud. Stealing through deception.

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    Any desk… Just download… And we can help you by controlling your phone laptop… Airplane ✈️ mode. Restart. 30:13

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    You won a prize, just pay the shipping.
    Fake business: send Bitcoin.

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    I have lost money to a company I thought was an actual stock broker.
    Fake businesses.

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    @suggesttwo July 3, 2024

    LLM criminals? 17:23

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    @PB-he6em1 July 3, 2024

    The 800 lb gorilla is the protection of personal data. Any company that gets compromised and leaks our data needs to face such huge penalties that other companies take data theft seriously. I work in critical infrastructure. It’s only pain that those in charge respond to, not doing the right thing. Don’t expect this to change unless the company could go bankrupt and or the director put in jail.

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    @ernextstudio5974 July 3, 2024

    26:56 même le vol physique de matériel numérique dans les maison privés ainsi que leur donnés au Canada, n'est même pas prie en compte lors de vol au domicile. Pour des raisons de coût d'enquête. Ex 1000$ cela en vaux pas la peine pour la police.

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    @andyparker2119 July 3, 2024

    The online world…as dangerous as the real world!

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    @theg-men8961 July 3, 2024

    I work in financial crimes and scammers are going to get better and better with AI. Haven’t watched the whole thing yet so not sure if it is mentioned, but the newest pain in our ass is that scammers are recording our voices from social media videos we post then use AI to call grandparents and ask for money. It can be anyone really but they target the elderly. We’ve come up with stupid code words that we’ll use to know that it is really us speaking haha. Knowing how your family members speak is a good way to know if it’s fake or not. We usually know certain words and phrases we like to use.

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    @MorganMindfulness July 3, 2024

    As long as we're focused on making money first these problems will remain.

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    @lynnetx5521 July 3, 2024

    Great interview!!

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    @FLGurl July 3, 2024

    How do you give this information to someone whose hands are glued to their phone? I have tried for 4 years (since mid-2020) to tell people to leave social media and to only use the phone when they absolutely have to because of all the tracking and tracing. Now this? More reason to ditch the phone and stay off certain platforms. Thank you!!! 🤗

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    @maryhelenjost7286 July 3, 2024

    Very helpful conversation!! Thank you! Really like Dr. Peterson’s beautiful jacket.

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    @slopchop4721 July 3, 2024

    what a sick and deranged world we live in

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    @Thecrucialdruggy July 3, 2024

    + 39:30

    Making up a non existent identity to bait a “criminal”is as criminal as stealing someone else’s identity who exists.

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    @Thecrucialdruggy July 3, 2024

    26:52

    Yeah well when grandma finds it necessary to mention how houses were 20,000 dollars when she was looking to buy them.

    All I can think to ask is

    What do we say about the victims of inflation?

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    @bettarecognize9451 July 3, 2024

    at 1:42 of this video… I received a SPAM phone call.

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    @GenesRapture July 3, 2024

    Fear/paranoia leads to higher walls be they pay-walls, physical walls, or governmental regulation walls. How tall are you trying to build Dr. Jordan?

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    @johnsmith-dm2tq July 3, 2024

    Is seems to me that making a billion fake personas and making it unknown who is real and who is not is one way to mix it up. The other would be to make a program for total restart. Something that would pretty much wipe me off the web once a year when you get a new device…if everyone in the u.s. did this it would be mayhem for anyone to track.

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    @ThRblaster July 3, 2024

    As someone who works in the cybersecurity half of online safety (I secure big business assets), this was a lovely conversation! It reminded me why I love this field and the reason why I do this work. We don’t talk enough about the human side of these scams! Stay vigilant everyone; It’s very dangerous out there!

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    @-justin-4077 July 3, 2024

    Great talk but you lost me with the parasite thing. Sexual reproduction does not necessarily prevent transmission of disease to offspring as an evolutionary mechanism. Diseases can easily pass from father to mother then to baby from sexual or non-sexual contact. If he meant actual parasites like toxoplasmosis (round worm), they can be transmitted during pregnancy or during sex or in any kind of human to human bodily fluids.

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