Preventing Sexual Assault

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  @buttermepancake3613 July 2, 2024

  Removing a specifically gendered language around the topic also helps the victims who are transgender.
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  @mardasman428 July 2, 2024

  Its absolutely astounding that this common sense video has 10 percent dislikes!
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  @spinycrayfish July 2, 2024

  So much victim blaming in this video. Of course there isn't, but that's how it is misconstrued by those with a certain ideological lens (with or without an understanding of their own actions). I have a real problem with the term, it's too emotionally loaded and the 'right' answer is known before matters are even considered: it's outrageous, and so the debate is instantly settled. And it would be outrageous, were it true. The problem is that it is almost exclusively deployed to silence people issuing sound advice, inventing potentially life saving technologies or merely citing facts and statistics, which leaves potential victims ignorant and needlessly vulnerable. Then the term becomes so watered down as to be meaningless or outright wrong, issuing false accusations seemingly legitimised by the loaded term, which leads to pushback from more people who are further denounced as victim blamers and everything quickly spirals out of control.

  There seems only two solutions: 1. Use the term very carefully. 2. Forgo your critical faculties, blindly accept feminist dogma (and the resultant insult), and apologise – for the greater good. From what I've seen, such dogma doesn't actually serve the greater good, so I'm inclined towards the former.
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  @TrueMathSquare July 2, 2024

  Why is raping so bad?  It doesn't do any harm to the vitam, unless they got a STD.  And well if someone is intexocated, and can't control themshelf, than it is part fault.  I fell the most mantel damage is a luck of understanding.
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  @IamusTheFox July 2, 2024

  As someone who teaches a self defense class, with sexual assault in mind, I hate saying victim. Even more so, when people say, "they make themselves a victim". I would like to think most people know that an attacker doesn't just say, "Oh, look at her, I think I'll decide to rape her", The circumstances may encourage it, make her an easier target. They, alone, don't make her the victim, the attacker does.

  To be clear, I only say, 'her', because women are more likely. I teach both men, and women. What I teach, will help them run, not stay and fight. I teach maybe a 3 step move that ends with the attacking falling down, or back a few feet away, so they can run.
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  @Drachnon July 2, 2024

  Am I correct in understanding that if two people are intoxicated and have sex, that they later conclude didn't intend to have, both would be considered the victim of rape?

  Just asking out of curiosity. I don't think that the questions in the survey should be reworded to exclude such a hypothetical situation nor that having sex while intoxicated would not count as rape.
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  @JRChadwick July 2, 2024

  Another note; my university requires all freshmen or new transfers to take a certification on sexual assault including men and women as both victims and perpetrators.
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  @JRChadwick July 2, 2024

  I had a long discussion in, what is now the top comment, in Rebecca Watson's terrible response to Thunderf00t's first video.  I tried to repeat the point Thunderf00t was making regarding the risk reduction assessment.  The only response I got were from people who claimed I was saying women are to blame for being raped.  One of them flat out lied and claimed my belief was that "most women [are] drunk sluts in alleys."
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  @TeleportlabsETH July 2, 2024

  How about, instead of teaching people "what NOT to do", we teach them to socially interact. I mean, schools, colleges, workplaces, etc. are all social environments. However, as a society, we place all of the responsibility of teaching us how to interact with each other to families and personal experience. Maybe we should have something along those lines in education. The goal would be to ameliorate shyness and be able to get to know people on a deeper level, because, we can't really see anyone's humanity just by superficially looking, we need education.
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  @Wegnerrobert2 July 2, 2024

  about "educating men"
  im pretty sure most people know well enough what they are doing when they rape but they are just too drunk, dont care or do it out of any usal reason for a crime. so just telling people not to rape wont help, especially because it is clearly alread being done. doing it 3 times as much doesnt help.
  the only thing that could be done in that manner is extreme propaganda mindwashing from a young age that stops anyone from even thinking of sexual aggression but that would be a really bad idea, creating a fucked up generation with many mental issues.
  so it is perfectly reasonable that there are a lot of public articles about not getting raoed just like a mother tells her child dont to go in a car of a stranger
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  @TheNightmareRider July 2, 2024

  Reading through the comments, allot of people seem to be really confused as to why we should even need to teach people not to rape. To allot of folks, it sounds so blindingly obvious that when Feminists say "Teach Men not to Rape", it sounds like they think men are stupid.

  And that's a good attitude to have! Why? Because that means to you, it's obvious that Victim blaming is a horrible thing. And so when you see people who ARE victim blamed, and you see people who don't seem to understand that a skimpy outfit or someone having a few pints isn't an invitation to sex; you can support the victim.

  Also, lets use the analogy of getting hit by a car in the middle of a busy street. It is the responsibility of a person to be careful, but it is also the responsibility of the driver to be aware of their surroundings. As such, while women in particular may do their best to avoid being raped, such as keeping their drink in sight at all times or having a friend to support them, it doesn't completely shift all responsibility to them if a rape happens. Just as a careless driver isn't free from responsibility if they are speeding or aren't paying attention to the road.

  Using this comparison, it should become obvious that there is even LESS responsibility put on the victim of rape than on the rapist. While driving, accidents happen. Sometimes you can't see a person coming in time. Or maybe there was a mechanical failure. In some cases of driving, there are times when you cannot prevent an accident. There are NEVER any times when a person cannot control their urges to have sex with someone.

  For men especially, seeing the space between a woman's breasts does not, and should not, completely remove all your self control and force you to rape them. So after reading all this, is your answer still "Duh, well no shit sherlock!". Then congraulations! You agree with Feminists who talk about the topic of victim blaming, and we can work together to show how people who DO victim blame are bigoted assholes.

  Feminism is not your enemy. Man or woman, it is your friend.
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  @capefeather July 2, 2024

  Watching this video, I think I know why you attracted so much of this vitriol (other than your videos about gun control which also naturally attract vitriol… I love Americans on the internet). You made the mistake of referring to studies about women. I'm not exactly sure where I'm going with this. I get that ideally it shouldn't matter how you present evidence. I also get that maybe you don't care about the people who get the wrong idea just because you said "women" a few too many times. And maybe it would have been slightly less honest if you referred to "people". I guess I'm just so tired of looking at YouTube comments only to see people bickering about tribal trigger words. Moreover, it's a little bit frustrating when so many of the uploader's responses consist of trolling these people.

  What happened to the YouTube atheist community? I didn't really get into it until about late 2012, but I saw a lot of the old channels and, along with them, a taste of what YouTube atheism used to be about. People say that the creationists are gone, so people have moved on to bickering about politics. Yet even in the old videos, people were rebutting William Lane Craig and other more moderate religious folk, people who weren't trying to turn America into a theocracy, but who nonetheless got a kick out of antagonizing atheists. Are people really so bored now as to start bragging about how they're on Team Rational and everybody who disagrees with them are not?

  I guess it's true what Eliezer Yudkowsky said. Politics is the mind-killer.
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  @zues69696 July 2, 2024

  Let me tell you some shit that confuses the hell out of me – and I am surprised Concordance is not confused also – I am guessing that college aged women means women in their late teens/ early 20s – early womanhood. I am also guessing that women in the general population are much older than this with average interviewing age in their 30s.  SO THIS MEANS THEY WERE COLLEGE AGED AT ONE POINT. So if you say that 1/4 were raped by the time they were in their 20s than I would expect AT LEAST 1/4th  to be raped in their later years. But then you say ohh no in the general population (of much older women) only 1/7 have been raped in the ENTIRE LIFETIME (INCLUDING WHEN THEY WERE COLLEGE AGED). HOW THE HELL DOES THIS MAKE SENCE TO YOU CONCORDANCE – AT LEAST SAY IN YOUR VIDEO THIS MAKES NO LOGIC SENCE DAMN!!
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  @wjestick July 2, 2024

  There is a massive difference between a real incidence of rape and this kind of statistical rhetoric.

  Teaching your children not to rape makes about as much sense as just saying no to drugs.

  Most people who are exposed to knowledge about narcotics get that knowledge from popular culture and drug education. The drug dealers must be very pleased to get so much free advertising.

  Drawing a parallel with rape, how many people teach their kids not to murder? You know the talk we all have with out kids about not choking the kid in the next seat to death, or drowning him/her in the toilet.

  The reason is that we socialise our children through our actions. Or at least we did before we left them in front of the TV during formative years. Even if your kids don't watch, peer contamination does the job almost as well.

  Non violence and mutual respect are part of the socialisation process. If you have to single out each action for special explanation you have already failed. What if you miss something, like using Ninja throwing stars. Does that make you a bad parent if your kid buys some and starts throwing them around?

  The reason people don't get raped in public is because pretty much everyone knows its wrong by the time they are old enough to need to know. Sitting your kids down at any age and telling them about rape won't stop rape. Any more than telling car jackers not to steal cars will prevent auto theft.

  What it will do is to send a message to your kid that you think they are so dysfunctional that they need to be told something that everyone picks up from just being around ordinary folk. Daddy/Mummy thinks I might be a rapist. Way to build the kid's self confidence.

  Self defence would be a far less damaging way to approach this problem. This would not only include physical defence, but assertiveness and good judgement about personal conduct.

  These skills have general applicability and don't impart what is a very negative message to young people.
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  @RJBeee91 July 2, 2024

  Am I the only one who believe that teaching rape-avoidance and teaching "why not to rape" should be done concordantly?

  I understand that teaching solely how to avoid being rape seems to stress that the burden of the action rests on the victim. Though in principle I agree with this, I find this argument to be someone semantic. 

  As a society we teach ourselves how to avoid home robberies, how to avoid muggings, how to avoid violence in general. Is this blaming the victim by teaching how to avoid these crimes rather than educating the populace on what is already a decided moral crime?

  I find that educating potential rape victims as to local areas that are not safe at certain hours, to carry weapons, etc is a smarter strategy than repeating "rape is bad" ad nauseum. 

  Rape is a universal evil that society has acknowledged. I'm not sure how much more "educated" we can be as a society as to the extent of the "wrongness" of rape. On the other hand, I'm sure that a rape-avoidance educational campaign aimed at a local level could actually help potential victims by educating them as to locations where rapes occur the most, aggressors at large, and so on. 
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  @PixieKirin July 2, 2024

  o.O Why would you need to specifically teach children not to rape? Rape is not something well socialised people are naturally inclined to do. It is considered one of the most heinous crimes a person can commit in society. 

  If your child has serious social problems to the point where they are inappropriately touching other children then you do need to address that. But well socialised children grow up to know that rape is abhorrent because they can imagine how violated they would feel if someone raped them.

  I do hope that you realise that anti-social behavioural problems have much deeper roots than a lack of education on a specific crime. Although none have been proved conclusively, these include parental bonding, abuse/neglect, psychological autonomy, rules/boundaries and many other factors. If you have a society where people let the tv raise their children because they are too 'busy' to do it themselves, parents who refuse to give their children consequences for their actions (my child is a special snowflake) and prescriptive religions who deny developing minds autonomy you will get anti-social behaviour. 

  In particular a lack of maternal care can lead not only to anti-social behaviour but also to sexually deviant behaviour. Now this doesn't mean the mother is physically absent but that the care giving bond (being clean, well fed, comforted, held etc) is not present.

  It doesn't matter how many times you teach children not to rape, some of those kids will grow up to be anti-social and sexually deviant.

  This doesn't mean that I think people shouldn't go out drinking, wear what they want etc. Just that they should be aware of the risks and take a few precautions i.e. 

  If you want to wear stilettos bring a set of pumps in your bag so you aren't staggering home like a frighten deer on an ice slick.

  Be with friends you can trust.

  Have a sober driver.

  Understand that physicians believe that black outs occur due to the speed at which you become intoxicated not how much you drink. Pace yourself alcohol is a poison.

  Don't accept drinks from random strangers. You don't know if they are a sane and stable member of society or if they will expect and demand something in return.

  Keep an eye on your drink. If you go to the bathroom and leave your drink unattended get a new one.
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  @nikkovalidor4890 July 2, 2024

  i never knew you had to teach children not to rape.

  ill never look at babies the same way ever again.
  i might even need to get a lincese to carry when i have to babysit.
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  @JessyDupre July 2, 2024

  I don't understand why some people make it seem like they can't teach both to both… teach your kids not to drink in public with people they don't knw (bars and parties). Just being honest here, please don' kill me, but I'm more inclined to believe someone who tells me they were attacked inside their own home by someone, from which they immediately sought medical attention and filed a police report. I find it more likely to be true than a story from someone who went to a strange place with strange people where they proceeded to drink in excess and woke up in bed with a stranger; then they waited days, weeks, or even months down the line to say anything at all. At that point it seems more like embarrassed regret than an actual 'attack'.
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  @johnbrown6832 July 2, 2024

  I didn't get run over because I was riding my skateboard on a busy street, I got run over because someone ran me over!
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  @Thomcat July 2, 2024

  Thank you very much for this. Your videos are so well informed and I'm glad you have been humbled by new exposure to knowledge of gender roles, it really speaks about your character.