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Someone is Going To Use Tile's Anti-Theft Mode To Facilitate A Murder — A Lawyer Explains

Someone is Going To Use Tile's Anti-Theft Mode To Facilitate A Murder -- A Lawyer Explains

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    @RunkleOfTheBailey June 28, 2024

    I should add–It's a tool, and people can use it for good or ill. What annoys me about this one is really the false promises. They're touting their 1 million dollars and so forth as if it'll matter. It won't.

    All of this is just a way for them to try to fend off an eventual lawsuit. And I don't like when companies bullshit me.

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    @thomasthomas5963 June 28, 2024

    A missing bit of information is that if a device travels the same pattern as someone with an android phone, they have the ability to notify the person that they are possibly being stocked.

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    @stoutcee June 28, 2024

    I appreciate your observations and understanding of tiles anti thief mode. I believe I have one tracking me on my vehicle. I’ve tried searching for discoverable devices with various BLE scans and come up short. I’ve contacted the company and have gotten zero help for what to do. They send me to some lame 3 point ways of protecting yourself but no real directives on what to do. Id be interested in knowing if any IT hacks have insights to finding it in my vehicles

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    @privard89 June 28, 2024

    If I'm a stalker i would just go online and find a tile – like device without the id verification

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    @AvenEngineer June 28, 2024

    Ian, check out the case of Victoria Anne Marie Hampton in Bakersfield California. Followed the Air Tag of her stolen car, only to be killed by a gunshot wound to the head…

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    @welliott June 28, 2024

    And someone is going to use a vehicle or a gun – or even their own hands – to facilitate a murder. You can't illegalize everything because there are a few bad people in the world.

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    @dme2453 June 28, 2024

    1. If someone wanted to murder you and had access to your car, you’d already be dead.
    2. If someone wanted to follow you they don’t need a tracker. They could just follow you and you’d never know.

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    @Zeth444 June 28, 2024

    Sending the information to the police would be great if the police actually gave a shit about bicycle theft.

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    @ricdonato4328 June 28, 2024

    Depends on the motives of the stalker it does not matter which tracker they use, such as Airtags, Chipolo, SmartTag, Tile, and the like. Notice Airtags now have a mode where after a day or more (Apple is adjusting the Airtag timeline) away from the owners' iPhone the Airtag will ring alerting the victim a Airtag not belong to them is following them. By the time it begins ringing notifiying the victim the stalker has knowledge of the victim's daily schedule. Yes, sadly some folks have been stalked with any of these devices, however out of the hundreds of millions of users of these devices my guess is it could be 0.0000001%, were stalked; more likely a smaller amount.

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    @ivermectin3191 June 28, 2024

    Well I guess "they" would want to know where you stuff is, being they know where you are, where you'd run, try to hide…… May as well know where your valuables are too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 silly buggers

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    @JohnSmith-qj7hd June 28, 2024

    They should of just had anti theft police mode. Where only accredited police departments can access and track the item. Normal people shouldn’t be tracking down their stolen cars ect. Let the trained guy with a gun do it.

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    @MsHojat June 28, 2024

    If a stalker really wanted to track someone they could just use a compact cellular device, similar to a pager. It might cost a bit more, but you don't have to worry about any sort of terms of use like with these. Because of that I don't really see the point of having limited features on these sorts of devices either.

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    @jackiereynolds1104 June 28, 2024

    I totally agree

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    @acedia4453 June 28, 2024

    Sadly, anti-theft mode is an absolute necessity with grand theft auto becoming a misdemeanor throughout America.

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    @beckykarenson6001 June 28, 2024

    calm your ass down runkle

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    @PhillipBicknell June 28, 2024

    In the UK, there's a massive fine for scrapping beer barrels, because they're vulnerable to theft from pub back yards. That deters scrap metal dealers from touching anything that even looks like a beer barrel – in the late 80s, I worked for a testing company that had tested small barrels for dangerous chemical transport safety – they passed with flying colours, but the company said they didn't want the test samples back – even with a clear message on their headed notepaper, we couldn't get a scrap merchant to touch them, so they were just sitting gathering dust in a corner of our test area.

    So perhaps the easiest solution is a massive penalty for abuse of smart-phone tracking technology.

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    @asailijhijr June 28, 2024

    I can imagine commercial uses for an anti-theft tracking device that are incompatible with geo-fence (/-style) programs, but in-truck GPS locators already exist and are quite common for fleet vehicles.

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    @medea27 June 28, 2024

    This $1mil "fine" is ridiculous on it's face… so someone uses your product to commit a crime & now they owe you money, like some bizarre royalty payment for using your IP?! Forget about the victims who are likely to struggle to get any kind of compensation or restitution from their stalker, it's Tile who should get paid? 🤦‍♀️. Bet the car manufacturers would love to "fine" criminals who use their vehicles in the commission of a crime, they'd be raking it in!

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    @Sarando1 June 28, 2024

    Kids can get fake id online. So what makes anyone think that a criminal can’t do the same?

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    @RichardsWorld June 28, 2024

    Tile needs other phones with the Tile app to find the tag. This is very small compared to iphone users or Samsung Phone users. Samsung tags don't seem to notify any strangers of a tag being nearby. Air tags tell other Apple devices that an unknown AirTag is nearby.

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    @darkseid6412 June 28, 2024

    So don't swim because you can drown?? don't use gas in your house because it can explode?? don't drive car because it can get stolen??? never use the interne because it can be hacked??? its actually very easy to track somebodies phone and with a rudimentary understanding of electronics and youtube you can make a very accurate GPS tracker for cheap. Go sell your fear to conspiracy theorists Mr Tinfoilus Hattington

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    @NickolaiPetrovitch June 28, 2024

    At thr end of the video you say you’re not a fan of laws made after murder victims, I wish you said why —I’m so curious . Why? Haha

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    @andymok7945 June 28, 2024

    The police for the most part, at best take a report and that is all. A tool is just a tool, it's use is what is good or bad.

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    @charlesshirk8699 June 28, 2024

    Someone will get killed. So the stalker follows the tile location to a lonely campground. Then things go badly for the stalker because the person being stalked had found the tile and was waiting.

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    @alphabetsoup6681 June 28, 2024

    US military families making permanent change of station moves have been getting their household good shipments stolen (for years) and one of the ways they have started to combat this is hiding Apple tags or Tiles in their household good shipments in the high value items so they can trace them to where they have been stolen.

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    @marlow769 June 28, 2024

    What’s all the concern about? People in Canada don’t have rights of self protection anyway, because NOBODY would ever commit a violent crime in Canada, right?

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    @spookycanuck1 June 28, 2024

    I find its easier to track people by their phone. Everyone has one and it's completely legal.

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    @Satarack June 28, 2024

    Zachariah Anderson, in Kenosha Wisconsin, is currently on trial for murdering Rosalio Gutierrez Jr., the new boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend Sadie Beacham. Two years ago he bought tracking devices and put them on Sadie's car to stalk her, along with other methods to spy on her communications with Rosalio.

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    @kalan4787 June 28, 2024

    The part of this that should be disturbing is that this is a consumer product being marketed and made accessible to anyone with a very low amount of cash to purchase one.

    The part of this that might surprise you is that none of the pieces of tech that form this integrated product solution is hard to build from scratch with "undergrad level" knowledge. This is the classic "black hat vs white hat" battle. The techniques and practices are the same between a malicious actor who is trying to exploit a network and a defensive security professional trying to harden that network to stop the malicious hacker. It is an arms race.

    These "undetectable" devices are detectable, but the unfortunate reality is that the only way to maintain force superiority in these circles is to keep methods very close to the vest. The second it is disseminated and becomes common knowledge, the attack will change and the defenses will have to respond.

    The best security measure is the one the bad guy doesn't know about.

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    @dass1333 June 28, 2024

    Criminals are now using Faraday shields to hold stolen devices.
    Simple to make.
    Lol a companies going to fine a person. Shure I will pay that in monopoly cash.

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    @DavidGS66 June 28, 2024

    Sending tracking info to police is good idea except police often relatively don't care about things like bicycle or cell phone theft, yet the owners want to try to get their property back. A related issue is police should allow live streaming to police with only police able to delete recording.

    We also need better ways to stop property theft such as in case of bicycles, stopping people from riding any bike not registered to them.

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    @godsamongmen8003 June 28, 2024

    The biggest problem is one that Ian doesn't bother to address: We're talking about regulating yet another consumer good because someone, somewhere, might misuse it.

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    @dosmundos3830 June 28, 2024

    every new technology is exploited by criminals, that's the way it goes. I'm sure they said the same thing to Samuel Colt lol

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    @axolotllan June 28, 2024

    Its the game of we ought to police ourselves before we present the need for the law to be made and as ever extended in reach and grasp. Tracking has advanced a great deal but acknowledging the safety enhancements and risks and where we draw the line of what we pursue and its value vs our own. College campus your device is on the move? Odds are given it's a public setting and maybe whoever has moved your device is staff who saw it as 'unattended' or someone with a similar device who grabbed the wrong one- or maybe yes theft but most college thefts when confronted become very quickly 'oh oops here you go total mistake bro'. On the other hand you are pickpocketed in a city centre… maybe don't straight up chase your stuff.
    Although my favourite instance of theft come-uppance was buddy of mine had his car broken into and ALL of his D&D /Pathfinder books stolen… and because he was the sort of maniac to be prepared to run an instance anywhere he had everything in a series of crates in his trunk ALWAYS. Welp, a month later a twitchy fellow wants to 'sell his old books b/c his gf's not into that shit' we watch as he brings one of buddy's crates… we talk him up ask if he has got more because we can offer more in lots. Those of us who played with buddy are flipping the books and page 16 where he signs his name in every book is Buddy's name. Cops called, we wait for the fellow to bring in all the crates, call buddy tell him to come to work early and buddy arrives upset thinking his boss is making him take an extra shift and its us the cops, the man who broke into his car and all his books. Cops ask if he can prove the books are his he says check page 16 and pulls out his ID. Turns out buddy had believed people will deface a cover or first page to remove a name label but never look at page16. He was straight up in tears b/c he had pretty much been told he was SOL by the cops when he'd reported the car break-in. Twitchy guy had also stolen some other niche nerd objects from breaking into cars etc in the neighbourhood, by cross referencing sales of us and the neighbouring stores and a tournament prize exclusive we were able to determine the owner of most of em, even though the cops sorta just handed buddy everything they got off of twitchy including what they got at his 'place'. The magic cards for example had belonged to a highschooler who didn't want to admit he was sorta mugged and brought an expensive deck to school (boy was terrified by twitchy grabbing him and flung his backpack @ him and ran).

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    @HicSvntDracones June 28, 2024

    Tile really isn't an issue, they aren't good for long distance, limited to Bluetooth distance which is 20 feet or so, need people nearby with the tile app also installed. The real danger are Apple Airtags, as ANY iphone can pick them up, to rebroadcast the location. People HAVE already been using Airtags for stalking and tagging items, such as cars for theft, this is how we know Tile could have an issue.

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    @T3nch1 June 28, 2024

    This kinda stalker BS already happens with Apple Airtags. The kinds of stories that come out of amusement parks like Disneyland where a woman or child is slipped an Airtag and someone fallows them home.

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    @adamnash1873 June 28, 2024

    GPS devices have been around for a long time now and they've been available to the general public, think lojack for vehicles. Certainly these devices can be used to track people, but isn't that the point of the GPS? Even if a stalker doesn't have this device, the stalker will just track the person by following them, GPS or not. Tracking GPS units do more good than harm when it comes to high value assets such as cars or trailers.

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    @tyramasters-heinrichs921 June 28, 2024

    LOL — I used this in a mystery!

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    @arsonfly June 28, 2024

    I feel like people were always going to be able to track people with one means or another. It's one of those things that isn't happening constantly only because most people are decent upstanding folk.

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    @krisk1547 June 28, 2024

    I track my car with few different brand of trackers to find responsible people if my car or some other items go missing.

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    @theoriginaldavid6969 June 28, 2024

    if all mainstream companies do what you say. some one will make a similar product and sell it on the black market. good stuff keep up the good work

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    @lindsayder June 28, 2024

    The police don't care about theft unless it's organized crime. I know people who located their stolen item and the police didn't show up and wouldn't help them retrieve them, so they had to do it themselves.

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    @redacted1093 June 28, 2024

    3:56 I hate how so much of modern western culture seems to preach against self reliance, when it comes to self defense you are your best advocate.

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    @mooseantlers8415 June 28, 2024

    Ok I have got to know who is this Seymour Content your always asking us to subscribe to? Can’t find him anywhere.

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    @thedave1771 June 28, 2024

    I like the idea of getting the police involved, except, realistically they don't care. Try reporting an iPhone stolen, with Find My tracking (so you've got real-time GPS driven location, at least until the thief turns it off) and the police will do… Nothing. Zip. Zilcha. Nadda. Tying the track functionality to the police is useless for low value items until/unless they care, and useless for high value items (use better tech that works reliably and doesn't rely on nearby devices).

    Also, Tile's tracking is bad. Miserably bad. I've tried to track my partner, she takes public transit and at best I got a couple hits a day, often an hour or more after she left the area where I got the hit (like I'd get a "Hey, your item was spotted" in the afternoon or evening, telling me where she had lunch). Sometimes I got none for a week, until I visited her and my phone was close enough to get a hit. She does not have the app and therefore her devices are not helping with tracking. We also tried leaving it hanging outside her bag, and swapped for a premium one with longer range, which made little difference.

    (To be clear, this is 100% with her consent, I handed her the Tile, she attached it to her bag herself. I wouldn't be posting about it on YouTube otherwise, because the police apparently have internet access now — We also already share our locations, because it's stupidly useful, and we both know how to set our location to appear to be home when we are not, which is handy if one of us needed privacy without it showing "Dave is not sharing his location").

    If you want to track someone, use an AirTag as they're damn near real-time in much of the world. I shipped one to myself, and I was able to see exactly when it left the post office, the route the truck took, etc. When it delivered to me, the AirTag and parcel tracking showed it was at my house within a couple minutes of each other. I've sat on a plane and watched my AirTag approach the plane, looked out the window and saw our bags being loaded, and on the other end I tracked it through the airport to baggage and walked to the belt to get my bag only when the app told me to, including tracking which individual bag contained the AirTag — I knew the answer, but the arrow is creepy accurate when an item is moving predicably and you are standing still.

    I have two AirTags on my bike, with the hope that a would-be thief will know and find the first one in an obvious spot, toss it and not discover the second for some time. I don't expect the police would care, the bike's replacement value is about $2500, but if I spotted it at a pawn shop or something I might have a chance of getting it back, or if it is stolen by a non-professional maybe they'll end up using it themselves or abandoning it or something. Who knows. A couple of AirTags are way cheaper than a good lock (which I also have), so I figure they can't hurt.

    AirTags chirp when they detect they're tracking someone else, but of course this defeats the ability to track your own item to some extent, just like Tile's "scan for a Tile" thing. Oh and you can scan for an AirTag tracking you too, and the owner can't disable them. Currently it is possible for an AirTag owner to open it and disable the speaker, although I expect Apple will eventually lock this down by requiring the AirTag to talk to the iPhone used for activation (with the iPhone listening and confirming it hears the correct signal), with a re-check when the battery is replaced, but until that happens, Tile is just playing me-too to Apple's lead, with crappier tracking tech.

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    @kimgalantini1185 June 28, 2024

    Runkle edb needs you

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    @ryan-vx4bu June 28, 2024

    With the number of GPS enabled SIM card trackers available online that would be equally hard to detect… allowing this sort of device seems moot. The horse is out of the barn.

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    @schuckit5300 June 28, 2024

    Law Talk With Mike listened to a TPO case where the soon to be ex-wife put a tracker on the husbands car, in the baby’s car seat, and in the diaper bag. It’s scary the things people do. Personally I just need to find my keys things aren’t usually stolen from me I just lose them.

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    @RayneAngelus June 28, 2024

    Woah, where's that outro music from?

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    @sijiawang June 28, 2024

    My ex had used a Tile to track me when I filed for divorce. He told the court he was using it to track our child (it was embedded in the kid’s jacket). He didn’t even get a slap on the wrist, and I was told I’m paranoid. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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